Curse

The Celt · Nov 01, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

We all know why gold was shared within a party when we used henchmen, but why should gold be shared when you use our hero's? If we have to kit the heros with decent weapons and runes shouldnt the gold be given as a whole to 'you' to spend on every member of your party. It can be hard enough to get all the gold needed to kit 1 character out nevermind all your heros as well. Whats everyone elses thoughts on this? Should it stay as it is or should we get all the money in a hero team??

Azrael1309 · Nov 01, 2006, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by The Celt

We all know why gold was shared within a party when we used henchmen, but why should gold be shared when you use our hero's? If we have to kit the heros with decent weapons and runes shouldnt the gold be given as a whole to 'you' to spend on every member of your party. It can be hard enough to get all the gold needed to kit 1 character out nevermind all your heros as well. Whats everyone elses thoughts on this? Should it stay as it is or should we get all the money in a hero team??

Good point. But then you gotta think about this: What if you finally get your hero spiffed out? Then what? You'll be dual farming with your hero and keep all the gold to yourself. I know this won't be most players, but you'll have those few players that have all their skills unlocked with max equpment on their hero and they won't have use for the gold except for themselves again. I may a bit off, but I'm throwing these thoughts out for further discussion.

lilnate22 · Nov 01, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

perhaps you get 3/4 of gold? insted of 1/x w/ heroes

so sya you are in a party of 10 ppl to make it ez. 4 of them+you are heroes (though u can only have 3) the rest are henchies+other ppl. if a 100g drops, regulaly you would get 100/10 wich is 10g. why not instead make it 50/4 for just your part of the party while the rest of the group(the remaining 5 ppl) get 100/10

Kha · Nov 01, 2006, 04:23 AM // 04:23

It doesn't make any more sense to let Heroes get gold for you and not henchmen. Sure you have to actually get weapons for your heroes, but the ability to customize them with both weapons and skills is what makes them more valuable than henchmen. Plus you want them to also be able to give their gold to you? If anything, henchmen should be the ones getting the gold to compensate for their poorer quality.

Though I don't think either should have their gold be given to you. It's fine the way it is.

BahamutKaiser · Nov 01, 2006, 04:42 AM // 04:42

I would have to say this is a great idea. Easier farming?, that's good. We do have to come up with weapons, runes and inscriptions for these heros, they are technically working with us not for us, increasing the gold return is a very minor improvement. Now if you include drop ratio, it does make farming particularly easier, but that is a good thing, farming should not be a passtime, playing the game should.

"Players should spend less time preparing to play the game, and more time actually playing it", right out of Anets mouth. So perhaps they should start doing more to live up to that claim, because there are still some significant Grind issues.

VitisVinifera · Nov 01, 2006, 06:18 AM // 06:18

he can keep the gold, I want the rare and unique drops!

Angel Netherborn · Nov 01, 2006, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

he can keep the gold, I want the rare and unique drops!

Exactly what I wanted to say!

Don't steal my greens!

Also, if you think about it, you're not *forced* to deck out your hero in the best possible equipment ya know... there's nothing wrong with them using their standard upgraded armor and using plain gold items.

Cr4zyPl4yr · Nov 01, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

Totally agree.

We have to shell out to kit them and to do that to the max is a pretty penny. While it stands of us having to pay to kit them it needs to be changed to where they do not divide the gold or hurt the drops.

If it changes to where we can kit the heroes via a NPC with no $$$ of our own. Example an NPC that sells runes, weapons etc for Heroes only with no cost to us, then it can stay as is.

On a side note. If the heroes stay to where we are having to kit them ourselves and out of our pockets the heroes we kit on one character of an account should be kitted for other characters on that same account. This way after you kit Koss so to speak with Runes like SUP vigor etc, you never have to do it again. A global hero pool so to speak for an account.

Now what I am not saying is these global heroes are auto unlocked for all characters on an account. You still have to get them with all characters on an account, but once you get a hero, if you have kitted them via another character on the account, then they are already kitted out.

WasAGuest · Nov 01, 2006, 03:07 PM // 15:07

We either need to be able to spend the heroes "stolen" cash on their own gear (a Hero cash pool) or they need to get their hands out of the cookie jar.

So far my heroes are using the junk I am finding on the ground. It's been good enough so far and I see no reason to equip the AI with real goodies.

It would be nicer to spend what the heroes are taking though. Maybe a "hero bank" that only a hero trader can take from?

IMO - in the past the henchie AI has been so weak and poor; it felt like I was baby sitting. I don't recall anyone in my youth paying the kids for being "baby sat"... therefore even the henchies owe me a fortune.
Currently, the AI is improved somewhat, but I still have to watch them and order them around. Now I have to hand over drops to the heroes to keep them on par with the mobs + watch them steal my drops and cash? I find that odd... if the heroes are "taking" the drops, then they should use the drops they are taking or leave them on the ground.

Easier farming? Who really cares? Economy isn't working anyway and wont till we get an auction house where people can gather and do real trade... only the people with maxed out bank accounts will say the economy is great.

Side Note: My bank is full, but I never trade with other players, and wont till it doesn't take an hour to buy/sell.

CtrlAltDel · Nov 01, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

why doesnt it work on basic math

party of 8, half of them are you or your heroes...you should get half the drops and half the gold.

this isnt rocket science, its just anet wanting you to play more so they arent going to give you anything faster...remember these guys helped build wow...

DigitalForm · Nov 01, 2006, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

We either need to be able to spend the heroes "stolen" cash on their own gear (a Hero cash pool) or they need to get their hands out of the cookie jar.

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Side Note: My bank is full, but I never trade with other players, and wont till it doesn't take an hour to buy/sell.

There is already a Hero Skill Trainer, I think there is a Hero Armorer (haven't gotten that far), why can't there be a Hero Outfitter for weapons/offhands etc? The game could keep track of the money the hero gets out of battles and add it to the hero's personal account, then players have the option of using the outfitter or their own gear.

Got my vote.

------------------------- Early Morning Venting ------------------------

I remember Anet saying somewhere that they don't mind farming, but yet they make it take a long time to get money and selling things to sell is hard because storage is limited and it takes time to sell to other players. Increase mission rewards for missions that aren't repeatable by a character and have a mechanic where we can earn money that doesn't take forever. I am stingy so my characters have to wait untill they make the money needed for their 1k per skill needed after changing secondaries.

HawkofStorms · Nov 01, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Yes, because clearly a.net wants to make farming easier.
/endsarcasm

WasAGuest · Nov 01, 2006, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Yes, because clearly a.net wants to make farming easier.
/endsarcasm

lol /bonk

It's not about making farming easier, it's about no reason the heroes are "stealing" drops and cash, then still having to hand over stuff to them. It's silly. If they are going to "steal" the drops and cash, they ought to use it. We assume the henchies are taking their share to make a living; they are hireling after all. The heroes, however, are not hirelings. They are there with you always* and are as much a team mate as "PuG Bob" is.

So if "PuG Bob" is getting his share of cash and drops and is using them, then so should the heroes.

*Always as in they are now a part of your character and have gear needs just like the player.

I'm not all for making the heroes not get the drops as that does give an advantage over players without NF; however, I am for the heroes taking the cash and drops and using them for themselves... as in a hero vault or some such thing. Would make more since then the gear and cash just vanishing into nothing just because they are there.

The Celt · Nov 01, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

The idea of a hero vault makes sense. That way it would curb farming with your hero's and you raking in all the cash/items.

Giving your hero's stuff you find is all well and good, but you want your hero's to be like any character that you would 'build' yourself.

My vote is definatly for a hero's vault. It makes sense!!

MDeshame · Nov 01, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Money Sink.

There has to be money sinks.

Not A Fifty Five · Nov 01, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

*shrug* dunno really. On the one hand, you got a point, someone starting in nightfall would have a hard time equipping himself and his heroes adequately. On the other hand people will just farm with 4 heroes in the end instead of party members. Maybe some variation of this idea?

meowmeow89 · Nov 01, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

No, your still using them such as like henchies.

Dougal Kronik · Nov 01, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

/not signed

How do you know that Koss isn't going for the Drunkard title? Or Dunkoro isn't using his gold to buy ID and Salvage kits for his drops? Maybe Olias gives his gold to the Necromancers Elonian Restoration Fund (NERF).

They are Heroes and probably need the gold.

LifeInfusion · Nov 02, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Ridiculous. Heroes are glorified henchman with controls, they still should take drops/gold.

The Celt · Nov 02, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Ridiculous. Heroes are glorified henchman with controls, they still should take drops/gold.

Maybe so, However it would still be nice for them to chip in for runes you may wish to add to armor or buy new weapons for them etc etc